Curse

Oso Minar · Feb 11, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

My choice? Players need NPCs to learn how to craft, but they can craft anywhere after that.

- Go talk to NPC 1. Pay for recipe. You now can make long swords as long as you have the materials.
- Go kill creature A. Creature drops recipe. Take recipe to NPC and pay to decipher recipe. Now you can make Dolyak horn bows as long as you have the materials.

Direct, without chances or grinding.
Maybe a title so items cost up to 10% less or so to be made, but nothing much more than that.
A PvE item crafting panel with in-game plot explanation.

This would be acceptable for me. It allows for customization, but doesn't require any significant "grind-time" to actually get to the point where you can craft something cool.

In response to those talking about how a fiery hilt upgrade would create a fiery visual effect, I think that'd be a neat idea. I think it could translate to ALL aspects of the crafting. Instead of that craft-panel making an entire sword, why not pick and choose from various hilts and blades? To take direction from another game, Neverwinter Nights has a wonderful system where you can pick and choose the visuals for three or four parts to each weapon. I think that'd add even more customization options to player-crafting.

Master Knightfall · Feb 11, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

The crafting system should work much like the rare drop system works now. All crafters shouldn't be able to make the best weapon in the game at a moments notice. The resources for these player made items that are going or should be rare should be rare to find and bring in a pretty penny from the finder from the crafter. Then the crafter makes the item and makes his pretty pennies back plus some.
When you have a player controlled economy though if there are dropped items better than crafted items then crafted items will become worthless. That is why the balance needs to be there that a crafter can make a rare items with great stats as rarely as someone will get one of those in a drop off a boss. I'm looking foward to increased item stats just as I am looking foward to increased levels and hopefully the power that will come along with it. I'm pretty sure there IS going to be grind in GW2 I'm just not sure how it's going to be applied so those that play casual won't whine. But, of course they are already whinning about it. I still think there's going to be lots more grinding in GW2 though.
I also would personally love to see that one needs a crafter to "change" ones runes and modifiers on your armor and weapons and items. Right now it's just too basic to let everyone do this without any cost. Need more things that cost money as there's an over abundance of money for most people now and nothing to spend it on except vanity items.

AuraofMana · Feb 11, 2008, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Do what WOW did with the crafting and it's perfect.

*waits for flames*

masta_yoda · Feb 11, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

no please ...dont implement this sh~t, if u want crafting and stuff go play WoW....this game is guild wars and its called that for some reason...........

Awakener · Feb 11, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by masta_yoda

no please ...dont implement this sh~t, if u want crafting and stuff go play WoW....this game is guild wars and its called that for some reason...........

Umm because Anet liked the name?

-Loki- · Feb 11, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Crafting would be good if it allowed you to create weapon appearances that do not drop, not weapon stats that do not drop. That way, it in no way affects PvP, but it gives you something unique to grind for if you have the mind to do it, but doesn't require you to.

Arath.inc · Feb 11, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Would be cool with crafting and such though i would still prefer that the same armor system in gw 2 as the one thats in gw now.

Maybe weapon crafters etc.. (but not armor)

T. Drake · Feb 11, 2008, 11:56 AM // 11:56

I have yet to see a game, where crafting is an important skill that one whishes to develop.
The truth is, that crafting is completely useless because monsters wear the best gear. Crafting becomes a skill to make money with.

But why should I invest some time into crafting equipment and sell it afterwards if I can simply farm the gold I need?

Because it’s more fun? No not really, because standing around for hours watching a status bar filling itself from left to right is certainly not more fun than killing stuff.
And you have to farm/buy the materials, too.

Crafting for the whole purpose of changing/customizing your gear is fine.
Crafting for the whole purpose of getting better gear is a fail.

Red Sonya · Feb 11, 2008, 01:18 PM // 13:18

You obviously never played Star Wars Galaxies T. Drake. Player made equipment was better than dropped items or at least equal to.

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by T. Drake

Crafting for the whole purpose of getting better gear is a fail.

WoW's success says differently

Bryant Again · Feb 11, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Crafting would be good if it allowed you to create weapon appearances that do not drop, not weapon stats that do not drop. That way, it in no way affects PvP, but it gives you something unique to grind for if you have the mind to do it, but doesn't require you to.

What if the stats mattered in PvE but not in PvP? Kind of like how the level cap is going to be (from my understanding?)

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

What if the stats mattered in PvE but not in PvP? Kind of like how the level cap is going to be (from my understanding?)

Then it really means nothing just as PvE skills do, and I think Loki would agree when I say that it dosn't matter ifits PvE only and not caring much

Shiing! · Feb 11, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I don't think they should make it the same as WoW in the sense of having the different talents or whatever, but I do think you could like, add things to it to make it look different. Kinda like Dyes, but other stuff too like "Sparkling Dust" for example. That would be cool..

But they should keep GW with the same methodology as it already has - nice and simple, plain and neat killing..

T. Drake · Feb 11, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

WoW's success says differently

So why people do raids for all the l33t gear then?

What justifies all the grind to become a master smith if your stuff still "sucks" compared to all the imbalanced gear you get from raiding a dungeon?

(I know that WoW's crafting system is very well developed, but whats the purpose of crafting in a gear driven game, where the best equipment can only be found in high level instances?)

Lonesamurai · Feb 11, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by T. Drake

So why people do raids for all the l33t gear then?

What justifies all the grind to become a master smith if your stuff still "sucks" compared to all the imbalanced gear you get from raiding a dungeon?

(I know that WoW's crafting system is very well developed, but whats the purpose of crafting in a gear driven game, where the best equipment can only be found in high level instances?)

Onesimplething...

The Burning Crusade and crafting not catching up

Longasc · Feb 11, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

If you are not in a strong raiding guild, the "Arena Rewards" give you top level equipment for relatively little investment in WoW. You do not even have to be a good arena player.

But for what? To stay competitive in PvP?

Oh well, their arena system and classes and item-based combat are not made for "competitive" high level PvP in my opinion. But their "Alliance Battle" style battlegrounds are a lot of fun.

You get PvP rewards so that your equipment is good enough to fight in higher level instances for even better equipment! :>

I like to call all EverQuest derivates "hamster treadmills", equipment and level driven games with tons of quests and grind.

Crafting does not pay in WoW. You shell out so much money to craft yourself some really supreme weapons that you probably got an even better item while grinding for the materials and money, as the stuff you need usually drops in high/highest level instances.

You can do some mid level crafting, but if you want to make some money, try alchemy, potions cost money and are in demand.

Otherwise I would really suggest mining and skinning or any combo of 2 gathering professions.

Bryant Again · Feb 11, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by T. Drake

So why people do raids for all the l33t gear then?

What justifies all the grind to become a master smith if your stuff still "sucks" compared to all the imbalanced gear you get from raiding a dungeon?

Maybe because they enjoy it?

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Originally Posted by Longasc

If you are not in a strong raiding guild, the "Arena Rewards" give you top level equipment for relatively little investment in WoW. You do not even have to be a good arena player.

But they're littered with Resilience, which has incredibly little use in PvE. I'd rather not have useless stats on my raid gear.

Mordakai · Feb 11, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Do what WOW did with the crafting and it's perfect.

*waits for flames*

Correction:

Use WoW's crafting system without a waiting bar, and it will be perfect.

Crafting is awesome. Especially for casual players who don't have time to grind for the best gear, having the ability to make decent gear yourself is awesome.

It's much more satisfying to create your own weapon than to pick one off the ground as well.

For the argument that crafting is useless in WoW: several items are Bind on Equip that people will level up in Enchanting or Engineering just to get those items. That doesn't sound "useless" to me. Just because Blizzard hasn't made the best Blacksmith decisions, doesn't mean they won't at a later time.

scrinner · Feb 11, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

An interesting point was brought up earlier, Cape Designs.

If we could have stuff like that which are completely customizable yet player based, we could have the beginning of epic yet not uber 1377 and powarf00l gear.

Customizability for the sake of Aesthetics > Customizability for the sake of power